Since there have been many debates on whether the TPM approved or disapproved of married pastors, I thought I’d post this history of the TPM as told to me by a current TPM member:
Ceylon Pentecostal Mission (now TPM) Founder Pastor Paul or Ramankutty had accepted several married people into full-time TPM ministry and even had children.
Pastor Paul ordained Pastor K.E. Abraham, who was married, as the founder of Indian Pentecostal Church (IPC). This event has also been mentioned in Pastor Paul’s biography.
Though Pastor Paul advocated pastors to take the vow of celibacy like the Apostle Paul, he never demanded celibacy from anyone or rejected anyone for priesthood on the grounds that they were married.
If Pastor Paul had rejected anyone from ministry for being married, then it would violating the principles of 1 Timothy 4:1-3 (Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.)
Chief Pastor Alwin de Alwis introduced some controversial doctrines in the latter part of 1950’s and early part of 1960’s. Pastor Alwin supposedly taught that the only reason for marriage is lack of self-control and that an essential requirement for being a pastor was celibacy. These were not the teachings of Pastor Paul, so Pastor Freddy and the council of senior ministers rejected these.
Pastor M. Daniel formally excommunicated the sitting Chief Pastor Alwin of CPM on charges of sexual impropriety while both of them were in France. After Pastor Paul’s son Freddy Paul became the Chief Pastor, the first announcement he wanted to make was that it would be perfectly acceptable for pastors and sisters to marry and remain in the ministry. With that in mind, he called a meeting of the senior ministers. However, the majority of the senior pastors suggested that if they make such an announcement, majority of the young male workers and female workers might pair up and request to be married.
Remember, they were/are living in a communal environment (faith homes). That would have caused irreparable reputational damage to the then CPM in the eyes of the world. In addition, their argument was that CPM has a tradition of celibate ministers and if many ministers got married, it would completely change that tradition.
Therefore, the decision was that they would not make such an announcement and would just remain silent on the issue of celibacy. That is why, I think, we are not able to find any official statement on this issue from TPM. They also decided that if anyone wanted to get married and wanted to continue in the ministry, he/she would be heavily discouraged or encouraged to leave the ministry and then marry. However, if any one insisted that he wanted to marry and continue in the ministry then he will be allowed to do so.
After the Pastor Alwin crisis, several pastors left the ministry to get married. Some of the pastors in India got married and continued in the ministry. The TPM church in USA has married ministers.
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Although you crticize the outward aspects of the mission, I wish you will spend some time appreciating the inner qualities that are encouraged and practiced.
1) The Simple life style.
2) A life of faith
3) A holy life
4) A faith home where people of different language and lifestyles live harmoniously
5) Educated men and women leaving their all to serve the community, selflessly- motivated only by the love of Christ
The praise of such things is not that of man but of God!
Dear Salomie,
TRUE SACRIFICE. WHAT IS IT?
What is sacrifice? God has given us many resources like time, energy, wisdom, money etc. Sacrifice means spending our resources for the work in God’s kingdom.
God wants us to sacrifice. How can we sacrifice? By spending our time and energy to do the following:
1. Read and meditate the scriptures with a concordance Bible and a Chain reference. Psalms 1:2.
2. Ask and wait on the Holy Spirit for a word of encouragement.
3. Share that word of encouragement with those in suffering and pain.
4. Gather the family members and neighbors and lead them in worship to God as per Acts 2:46.
5. Teach them the scriptures as per Colossians 3:16.
6. Give tithes to gospel workers and pastors in villages as per 1 Cor 9:13,14.
The above is the sacrifice, which God wants. However, most Pentecostals have chosen the following sacrifice:
1. Removing jewels.
2. Wearing white saree and white shirts.
3. Shaving the moustache.
4. Depending on pastors like kids.
5. Pleasing the pastors.
Dear Brethren, God sees the heart and not your external display. Hence, instead of an external “show” of piety and righteousness like the Hindu sanyasis and Buddhist monks, show your godliness before God by “working” for the kingdom of God as per item 1 to item 6.
Be a Pentecostal by the “internal” experience shown in preaching His gospel with miracles as per John 14:12 and not by the external display of white dress. Avoid showing off your religion, piety and righteousness to others. God hates that.
Build the temple inside you rather than the buildings of denominations. Most Pentecostal pastors train the believers to give money while the believers remain as kids. Pastors do this by “feeding” them instead of “equipping” them.
Seek to give the true sacrifices, which God desires and thus lay treasures in heaven.
Dear Rachel,
Can I know why do you feel like this??
I am a TPM Guy, but I dont think the way normal TPM’s think. But I would like to know your thoughts first and then may be I can share my views.
Regards
JACOB
May the love of god flow in your heart and enlighten your eyes of understanding.
To be called to a particular fellowship such as TPM is not for all Christians.
Yes, all humans are called to Christ and his sacrifice on the cross.
The different denominations do create confusion, but if one accepts Christ and surrender to HIM, Christ will lead them to the right church.
It is like this as in education, there are junior, high and University levels, so is the different Christian categories of the church
It is important not to mix Religion with spiritual movement
TPM is not religion, it is a movement know as Pentecostal and it has not denomination category, as it the very basis of Christianity. With the movement of Pentecostal, every other Christian denomination is a religion.
You may ask what is religion; it is Man reaching out to God, while spiritual movement is God reaching out to man and starting a movement.
Which is having a personal relation with God, I have one do you have one?
I have not read your profile, but have this to say
If you are not Christian, it is good not to offend any Christian, leave their perceived difference to Christ to settle.
Every movement may have issues and it is for God to workout those wrinkles.
If you are a Christian, it is important that you abide in the place that God has called you and definitely stay out of the eternal work Christ is doing in the lives of those he has called however drastic or extreme it may seem to you.
Lastly, my advise to you, examine your own relationship to God, not the issues real or unreal in the religious bodies, as this has eternal ramification for you.
Not looking for controversy while sending this email, just imparting of peace
1. Read and meditate the scriptures with a concordance Bible and a Chain reference. Psalms 1:2.
Yes. When we read the scripture we will not wear jewels.
If we read the world, you will wear which satan prefers.
2.Ask and wait on the Holy Spirit for a word of encouragement.
Yes Holy Spirit will help us to overcome this world.
Now a days, people are wearing worst dresses.
They think that exposing their body is fashion. Only animals will show their body to others. If it is happening in the world, somewhat ok. You are calling you as a Chirstian and encouraging others to follow you.
In Church only God has to see you.Not the others.
God will see your broken heart.
So wearing the white saree and not being a hindering stone to anyone is far better than these so called animals.
3. Share that word of encouragement with those in suffering and pain.
If we are not ready to suffer, how come you will understand the pain of others. Simple truth. This is LKG Lesson.So TPM is in better position compared to anyother Churches.
4. Gather the family members and neighbors and lead them in worship to God as per Acts 2:46.
This is very interesting and very important point.
I have seen many Christian families going to Watching TV, Cinema , Cricket and Shopping on sundays. It is very rare to see believers going as a family to Church.
Father is ready to do anything to win his business.(cigarette,liquour and women)
Mother is always in the ladies club.
Son is doing dating.
Daughter is going along with her boyfriend.
TPM is 100 % against TV, Cinema, Cricket anything deviates from the LOVE OF GOD.
5. Colossians 3:16.
If you are sick you are going to Doctor and believing him like anyone in the world.
When you have more debts and some one comes for your rescue you are simply seeing them as your GOD.
But the saints of GOD , who forsake their own interest for the Kingdom of GOD does have the right to take the respect and not the honour. Don’t confuse yourself between giving whole hearted respect to the saints of GOD by the believers with honour.
HONOUR and PRAISE only to JESUS.
6. Give tithes
Your only motive is to get money from people and not to serve them. People who wants to lead a luxurious life will rely on money. Here the saints of GOD live by faith.
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One kind request .
If you are not able to overcome this world and serve the Lord, atleast please do not be stumbling stone to others.
Am a new believer in TPM. Doctrines and the lifestyle is far far better than most Churches.If you fear GOD(if you believe) you will not write these thing.
Am really very sorry if i hurt you. Am against your view on this and not against you.
SPIRITUAL TITLES
Jesus commanded not to call spiritual leaders using titles as we see in Matt 23: 8-10 which says, “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Nor are you to be called ‘teacher,’ for you have one Teacher, the Christ.”
Why did Jesus say this?
Because God’s plan as per Exodus 19:6 was for every Christian to become a Priest as per the following verse.
Exodus 19:6; “And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou (Moses) shalt speak unto the children of Israel .”
Remember, the call to be a Priest was given not just to the Levites but also to all the 12 tribes of Israel.
However, that plan could be fulfilled only until after Jesus tore the veil by His blood and opened a way for us to the Father in heaven.
And now, we all know that Jesus has already done that. He has opened the way to His Father.
Therefore, every one of us now has access to the Most Holy Place where the Father dwells as per Hebrews 10:19 and Hebrews 4:16. Remember, even Aaron’s sons who were Priests were never allowed to enter the Most Holy Place.
So all Christians including the pastors are brothers and priests. There is no difference between clergy and lay.
Nevertheless, strangely and highly ignorant of the above scriptural truth, many leaders advertise themselves as Doctors, Pastors and Chief Pastors etc. God gave leaders but never allowed anyone to use such titles in their magazines or cassettes.
By craving for titles, they have forced & threatened the Christians to address themselves as Pastors, which has now become a cult. Thus, they violate the command of Jesus Christ.
Hence, in obedience to the command of Jesus let us call them as brothers rather than Pastors or doctors. The Pastors do not want you to know that you have access to the Most Holy Place. Why? because they want to act as middle agents and take your money.
Remember, we all are brothers and priests. Only Jesus is our High Priest.
for whosoever it concern
God said for those who believe him
“1.follow me
2.be my wittness into the world”
Let prayer and supplication be unto the Lord for perishing souls. This is not time to get through a debate. Whosoever seek God deligently he will show his ways.
DEBATE
BREAKS
LOVE OF GOD
May God bless u.
Dear Rachel,
You have been on my mind ever since I found out that you are a athiest. What a great asset you could be for the Cause of Christ, if only you come to know him as your Lord and Saviour.
May I suggest that you check out Dr. Ravi Zacharaia’s website. He is one of the greatest Christian appologists. His writings will convince you of the exsistance of God, who you say does not exsist. He does some intelectual reasoing. I am am sure you will like it.
By the way, my wife and I will be more than happy to host you if you happened to come to Vancouver BC Canada. Vancouver is once again voted as rthe most desireable city in the world.
We are surrounded by mountains, rivers and the Pacific ocean. You are welcome. Brring you husband along. He will love it!!!
God bless.
Sam/Ranjini Alangaramoney.
Dear Sudagar,
TPM debates about other ministries. They fabricate false doctrines.
The debate here is fruitful. Learn to admit the false doctrines of TPM rather than evade from it.
tpm people r only telling doctrines.even passtors r not following
Hi Rachel,
You are great jounalist. I wish you would use your writing talents for the extension of the Kingdom of God.
I hear you are an atheist. I honestly wish that is not true. I shall be extremely grateful if you would kindly let me know if this is true or not.
If you are one then I will pray that our merciful Lord Jesus would speak to you in a way that you would understand the God of the Bible.
I used to be in the Cult called TPM but nowI am free. I understand your grand father was in the TPM. Could you kindly let me know his name. Well , if do not feel free give his name to me pl. don’t worry.
I very much appreciate the manner in which you are exposing the erroneous teachings of the TPM church.
God bless
D. Manickam
Salomie
The sad part is that all cults have certain things that look good on the surface.
Once one is brainwashed, anything is possible.
Phds’s drink the the dirty waters of the Ganges in Varansi, inspite of the pollution and the dead bodies floating right before their eyes.
Sam
To all brainwashed TPMites around the world.
The man who had all the revelations, which has become foundational in your churh, came out the mind of a man who was totally corrupt spiritually and morally. He was also a false prophet. I have faint memories of the man preaching, and predicting that Mussoloni will be the Antichrist. He sreamed and yelled at the top of his voice pong on the table. All the sincere brainwashed people,
the majority of them poor and uneducated, used to get so excited that they reacted with speaking in tounges, and jumping around, which t they thought was a expression of the spirit moving in them, in respose to a great truth and prediction revealed to them through Pastor Alwin.
This is how people behave in cults.
More to follow. Keep on tracking. sam
Dear Grace,
May the grace of God be with Grace and teach his ways. I don’t know where they fabricate false doctrines. When Saul was trying to kill David he couldn’t, all his ways went in vain. Even Saul was surrounded by David, he didn’t kill Saul only thing is “Saul is an anointed person”. So let not bluntly blame others. God gave grace for each and every person to be free from sin(through his blood)and follow him. God called us not to Judge or condemn others which would set a partition between God and us.Please read Exodus 33 , I corinthians 3, Eph 5:9,10,11.
MAN HAVE TO GIVE AN ACCOUNT TO GOD ON HIS WORDS
DOESN’T MATTER GOOD OR EVIL
GOD BLESS U
Dear Salome,
You have written about the sacrifices that the workers of TPM have made. The true test of a Christian is not how much one sacrifices but how he or she walks in line with the Word of God.
The Buddhist monks , a good number of the sages of Hinduism who have taken the vow to lead a life of Brhamchariya , the Roman Catholic clergy and the sisters like Mother Teresa Have made consecretions and sacrifices which the TPM pastor can match. If consecretions and sacrifices are accepted then we end up following what the Buddhist and Hindu hermits teach or started praying to and thru Mary as Mother Teresa did to her very end.
The Plumb line of Christianity is how much walk in obedience to the Word of God.
Thus for example when the Bible declares that a Bishop or an elder of a church ” MUST BE ” married ( 1 Tim. 3: 2)
( Titus 1: 5,6) must take care of his wife and children. ( 1 Cor. 3:4&5)
But the TPM church choose only unmarried persons to be ther pastors of their churches and if they are already married they send the husband and wife to live in different Faith Homes. THEY HAVE DELIBERATELY CHOSEN TO PRACTISE EXACTLY OPPOSITE OF WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS.
D. Manickam
Dear Sudhaar,
TPM ministers still continue to teach the anti Scriptural doctrines that were invented by late Pastor Alwin who was the chief pastor of TPM for the longest number years in the ( brief) history of TPM.
He was caught in adultery committed in different Faith Homes in different countried starting from England ending (?) in Sri Lanka and the church leaders of that time managed to ex communicate him . The pastors of TPM literally fought hard agaist him to get him excommunicated. They did not hesitate to ‘kill’ their own God annointed leader. They just got rid of him. They went agaist their ‘annointed leader’ and just saw to that they pastor Alwin never come back again.
But unfortuantely they still keep following his teachings very faitfully.
Dear Sudhakar , you need to know the Bible COMMANDS us to ” Preach the Word,————–REPROVE , REBUKE exort with all long suffering and doctrine.”( 1 Tim. 4: 3)
May the good Lord bless you.
D. Manickam
TO; MY DEAR TPM WORKERS AND BELIEVERS,
TPM tells its faithul ones
1. if you take communion in any other Pentecostal Church then you cannot take the communion in the TPM church.
They have forgotten that it is the table of the Lord and they think it is TPM’s own table and build walls their own walls against the Table of the Lord.
If it is the Table of the Lord as the Bible calls it then it must be to all the blood saints of God.
I pray that soon the brain washed saints of TPM would soon realize this.
2. They also refuse Holy Communion to those who take medicine. But some of those who workers who SERVE holy communion go to the eye doctors for their glasses and go the dentists to get their false teeth.
My dear TPM followers, should still continue to bow down to this kind of man made teachings.
May the Lord continue to speak to you and soon open your eyes and give you the courage to step out of this anti Scriptural church, That my prayer and also that of the many thousands who are bolding stepping out this man made church.
D. Manickam
Dear bro Manickam,
I appreciate all your blogs exposing TPM doctrines. Keep up the good work. You and men like Dr. David Paul need to be commended for the stand you take against the unscriptural
Doctrines of TPM. Multitudes have to set free.
My prayers are with you.
Sam.
Dear Brother Manikam,
It is a pity instead of worrying about Lords coming and preparing yourself for it here you are wasting your time criticizing & judging TPM, kindly note that except God no one can judge the servants of God, TPM does not impose its views on any one it is upto an individual to accept or reject the TPM way of life and its doctrines.
I wonder whether you have the experience walking with Jesus ? do you have the experience of praying for others ? pls stop critisizing TPM as it is going to turn out as a mere waste of time, ” mind you it is hard for you to kick against the pricks.”
Niether TPM workers nor its beleivers never claim that they are perfect, on the other hand TPM always quotes the verse from the Colossians 1 : 28. ” That We May Present Every Man Perfect In Christ Jesus ” I am sure you would agree with me that, it is normal to have casualities in a War, there may be some stray incidents of pastors/workers from TPM excommunicated because of their failure however it does not mean that ” All the TPM workers would Fail ”
For your understanding i would like to quote the incident which took place in heaven before the creation of man. I am refering here to the ” Great Fall ” when the Angels were tempted, only a group who has sinned against God were eventually thrown out of Heaven.
As the bible says that the Angels have been created in perfection to serve God and what more they had the greatest privilege of seeing God face to face. Having created in perfection, having had the experience of being with God all the time still some of the Angels have sinned!
can you explain to me how this could have happened? despite of being in the presence of God all the time ?
My advise to you is to first seek Jesus and he will counsel you, advise you, guide you and finally lead you to God’s Eternal Kingdom.
I am praying for you brother, may God bless you.
Kind Regards
Abel Alexander
Bangalore
Dear Brother,
My name is Abel Alexander, last night i wrote to bro D.Manickam expressing my views and clarifying misconceptions about TPM. However i am shocked to see that my letter is missing it is no more in available on the blog. I would appreciate if the same is put back on the blog asap. I believe every one has got the rights to say what they want to say.
Kind Regards
Abel Alexander
Bangalore
Dear Abel,
So what do you have in TPm, that would present every man perfect in Christ. This was Alwins wild immaginations, when he was living in gross immorality. I grew up with Alwin, and I KNEW HIM BEHIND THE SCENES, THAT IS WHY I LEFT cpm, after 27 years of brainwashing, and legalism.
I f you are very technical about, presenting every man perfect in Christ Jesus, why is that 98% of people in TPM are from the third world countries?
Who is going to preach Alwinism to the rest “every man”?
sam
Dear Salomie,
Yes I agree with you. Tpm is not for all.
It is only good for those who are snicerly mislead, brain washed, and those who do not fellowship with other Christians.
You could be one of them.
Someone said “Please do not disturb me with facts, because I have made up my mind.” You are fortunate you joined TPM after the expulsion of Alwin the heratic, who rammed down the throats of his followers his personal. You could have been one of his candidates for higher sanctification, and confessions. He did not want headlines, he wanted all the (dirty) details.
You are trapped! The good news is that the Captives of Alwinism can be free in the Lord.
Join the thousands who have been delivered from Alwinism, and enjoying the freedom they have found in Christ.
To those of you who boast that thousands are joining TPM, I say thousands are joining Sai Baba, the Mormans, and the Jehovha’s wittness
all the time.
Dear Rachel and others talking to Rachel,
In response to “Spinnin’ a yarn – For a living”
I apprecialte criticism, it may give us an oppurtunity to introspect and see if there is a need to bring us back to track..
Nevetheless, I wouldn’t want to defend or argue with Rachel as she is somebody who has no standing to even talk about any Christian organisation plain simple reason being… her standing as mentioned below.
Quote”
“Even, when I was a god-fearing Christian, I viewed all this extreme distaste. Now that I’m out of the Christian fold,”
Unquote
The above is what she wrote in the artilce.
So the discussion comes to a halt .. Period.
I don’t expect a reply.
Dear Rachel
Pentecostalism is the fastest growing Christian denomination in the world. How ever the devil will try to bring confusion where ever Christ is preached and spirit filled movements take place. There have been cases of pentecostals who brought snakes to church in Oklahoma State and asked church members a long time ago to kiss the snake quoting Mark 16 -18. “They shall take up serpents and if they they drink any deadly thing it shall not hurt them. It does not mean you go looking for snakes but if you encounter a snake it will not harm them . For a long time pentecostals were called snake handlers. Pentecostalism cannot be called a denomination as the spirit filled movement is going across almost all Christain denomination. TPM Churches bases celibacy from Mathew 19- 5 to 12. There are many churches in Russia and China and other parts of the world whose workers are celibate among Pentecostals basing on the same verse.. In fact Roman Catholic churches have a policy of celibacy but there have been a lot violation as their doctrines are not biblical and they are not spirit filled. Pastor Alwin was used mightily of God and my cousin who was a Methodist Pastor told me he has seen Pastor Alwin heal a blind man. Pastor Alwin later on backslid that does not mean TPM is scripturally wrong. The success of the TPM church is prayer and fasting and if you go to their faith homes they start at 4 am with praising . People are praying 6 to 8 hours a day . It is not easy to pray long time if you are not spirit filled If the Roman Catholics did same thing and followed the bible with a spirit filled attitude there would be no reformation. The first century church was pentecostal as they waited for the holy spirit and spoke in tongue and healed people. The romans persecuted the true church and saw christanity spread like wild fire so they brought in roman catholism but the true church went under ground.
God Bless
Philip
informative
Everybody can serve God according to his/her calling. If your calling is to serve God afetr marriage, do it without disturbing the church. If you want to work for a company, you have to follow their guidelines. So if you want to follow the guidelines of the church, follow them..If you are already murmuring about this, you are not fit to be a servant of God anyways..
Kneel down and pray and God will reveal His will in your life. Wasting time in finding faults is taking you nowhere. God is righteous and He will do the judgement. If you don’t like the church, leave the church and answer God in His day! Quite simple.
Man made rules are everywhere. But certain times when we accept God’s Church rules, it will be a blessing. The sick man obeyed to immerse in water so many times though it appeared stupid. But it is the obedient person who sees victory..
So it is better to pray and ask your questions to God as He would answer you.
God Bless You..
Dear Philip,
Like your cousin, I have also seen many fake healings by Alwin. In fact he told me that everyone he touched gets healed, even after he was kicked out of CPM for gross immorality, which he practiced most of his life as chief pastor, for many years. You should know that Christ is the healer, not Alwin. I am probably the only one living who knew Alwin behind the scenes. I am an ex ‘Faith home boy.’ Seventy one years old!
Sam.
Sam i need to contact you…..i want the real story behind pastor alwin in person from you……….i go to TPM….your posts here has confused me from what i’ve heard and grew up on….u said you r an ex faith home boy….why were u growing up there????has the ‘enemy’ actually mislead the TPM believers????
I would like to start off with mentioning a good news
– Thank God..Jesus is not a member of any denomination
There has been no church in the whole of Christian history, that did not have any problems, doctrinally. We see that Paul and Peter had some major differences.
In the Current scenario, I feel it is a waste of time finding for any true church which teaches the right doctrine and lives accordingly.
What a true believer should do is, have a strong fellowship with the Lord to lead him right. NO CHURCH CAN TAKE YOU TO HEAVEN.
All that we can do is to be led by the Spirit so that we do not fall into the lusts of the flesh
interesting read – I never knew this site existed.
I am a believer in TPM(from the USA though). Growing up, I’ve questioned numerous doctrines and beliefs.
This church is not for everyone, I can say. New souls should be led by God to the right church. No one is forced to follow any teachings or doctrines taught by TPM. In fact, if you disagree with something, you are encouraged to ask questions. Both workers and believers who don’t feel like this church is for them can leave. The workers of the TPM have given up all to present us the bride of Christ on that day. Their full-time job is to prepare us for the coming of the Lord. God’s work will continue even when ministers come and go. The Bible warns us of a great falling away. I wouldn’t expect anything less.
As one person on this blog said, TPM is not a religion. It has its level of holiness, doctrines, rules like any other church. If you disagree, find another church. Most of the time, people get caught up in following people, than following Christ. Your ministers/workers are role models that you can look to. Just remember to pray for them – they are human also – nobody is perfect.
Make sure you have a personal relationship with Jesus and everything else will follow.
Praise the Lord,
Philip
Dear Brother Alan,
I would like to know if the testimony hosted here about the pastor Paul pf TPM is true…
I see some negative comments at the end of the article are they true or wrong??
Thanks for the eye opening revelations from your experience, thanks also for the platform provided by the blog owner
Dear brothers and sisters in Christ,
I come from a CSI christian family. I hated Ceylon Pentecostal Mission, from my child hood.
It is true, God hates outward spirituality. I am a member of this church since 1986. Let me tell you some facts about this great fellowship.
1. Tithes and Offerings: No servants of God have ever asked me Tithes or Offerings. They live by faith.
2.Simple life: I have seen many rich people in this church who live a very simple life.
3.No elections in pastorate committee: No elections or fights.
4.Food is served for all the believers every sunday, free of cost. NO CHURCH IN THE WORLD DOES THAT.
5.I have seen many SAINTS OF GOD LEAD AN OVERCOMING LIFE AND FINISHING THEIR RACE IN FAITH.
6. I am not praising THE PENTECOSTAL MISSION AND DENYING CHRIST, BUT, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE APOSTOLES
WHO ARE THE FOUNDATION AND JESUS WHO IS THE CORNER STONE.
7.WE HAD MANY PROBLEMS IN OUR FAMILY.
MY DAD WAS A DRUNKARD, MY BROTHER WAS GROWING TO BE A TERRORIST AND ME A VERY BIG SINNER.
JESUS LEAD ME THROUGH THE SAINTS OF THIS CHURCH TO BE A GOOD SON OF GOD.
Please DONT CRITIZISE THE SAINTS OF GOD, WITHOUT KNOWING THE TRUTH.
THEY ARE REAL SAINTS. JESUS WILL COME TO COLLECT HIS SAINTS.
PLEASE COME TO THIS CHURCH(I AM NOT ADVERTISING THIS CHURCH).
THE SAINTS PREACH THAT THEY MAY PRESENT EVERYMAN “PERFECT” IN CHRIST JESUS.
EVERY ONE CANNOT DO THIS MINISTRY.
JESUS WAS NOT MARRIED. ST. PAUL WAS NOT MARRIED.
JESUS’S DISCIPLINES, SOME OF THEM WERE MARRIED BUT THEY FORSOOK THEIR FAMILY AND FOLLOWED JESUS.
OUR SAINTS ALSO FORSAKE THEIR FATHER, MOTHER, BRO, SIS ,
WIFE AND CHILDREN AND TRULY FOLLOW THE LORD.
IT IS TRUE SOME OF THEM WERE MARRIED, BUT THEY DONT LIVE AS HUSBAND AND WIFE, WHEN THEY SERVE THE LORD.
PLEASE, IF YOU CANT LEAD A HOLY LIFE, LIKE THEM, PLEASE DO NOT CRITIZISE THEM.
PLEASE DONT BE A STUMBING BLOCK TO OTHERS.
MAY GOD BLESS YOU AND MAKE YOU TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT JESUS AND HIS SAINTS.
PRAISE THE LORD.
sam alan (70 year old faith home boy)
you are a like the dog that bit its masters hand. you would be in a rice paddy somewhere right now (or under it) instead of your beautiful vaincover Canada if it were not for CPM/TPM that fed you and sent you overseas. you have betrayed your forefathers and no amount of your self-justifying attacking of the tpm ministry will excuse you on judgement day. so what if alwin messed up, are you going to attack Jesus because of Judas. at least cpm kicked him out, not covered up for him. so you saw something bad in cpm, don’t use it for your excuse to live a lower life than you have seen in the beginning when you were with them
and your recommendation of that pompus embittered so called dr. david paul, what a joke. he could not live up to a ministry life which the proud little rooster coveted, so he ends up attacking cpm and setting up his own little kingdom with others that also try to validate themselves with their degrees and human wisdom
well, it is time for you to repent of your backsliding before you hit 71
sincerely
a friend
Im exposed to TPM from a young age. The Church practices today is a far cry of the Church 30 yrs ago. When I first came into the Church, I stood in respect of them. I saw Pastors who took tithes from the poor and then gave them back the packet by adding a few more dollars from other contributors. I saw them living a life of sacrifice. Today, I see Pastors who preach on the pulpit practising otherwise. There is a Pastor who went complaining that he is not getting food in the Faith Home and had special food sent to the Church each day from a lady who lives nearby. This lady is very influential. She found her own life partner but because her parents were chummy with the Pastor, got her marriage conducted as if it was an arranged marriage. The Pastor is also responsible for breaking up a few families in the church he was serving and had to be transferred out.
Then there are the worker sisters who serve health food to visiting pastors and would not hesitant to add commerical herbal drinks into the food to provide the pastor the boost. In the past, I know of Pastors who refuse to drink soups innocently prepared by the believer grandmothers as they equate it not standing on divine healing.
The church elders are more inclined to the rich. They preach warning about being worldly; if one wears expensive cloths, invest and flounder their antiques, they have not issue as their pockets are well lined. The money is not re-distributed to the poor In the same church where there are believers (fatherless children) who cannot afford the month’s school fees and are forced to drop out and aged people who are abandoned by their rich children and grandchildren. To the children, the Pastor tells them education is not necessary for the Coming of the Lord and to the aged they tell them you are paying for the past. This is the new face of TPM; saints emitting Christlike characteristics and claim to the 144,000 who will be on Mt Zion.
I do not dispute the fact that TPM has healed many dysfunctional families. I too come from such, and TPM was very helpful. But, Jesus is the healer and redeemer. Happy to know that TPM was a blessing to many.
1. Tithes and offerings: I seriously dispute the claim that TPM does not demand tithes. TPM (and in fact many Pentecostal denominations) demands tithes and warn of dire consequences who fail to give 1/10. That’s why they do not collect offerings (which they equate with begging).
2. Simple life: It is good. Way to go forward and other churches must learn from this. But, there are underlying dowry and other de facto legalisms in TPM which must be done away with.
4. Free food after prayer meetings: It is a wonderful practice which bonds people together. Jesus did the same after his sermons. Sad, many other churches do this only once in a full moon. Even gurudhwaras in Punjab and some temples in Hubli serve food after their prayer meetings.
There are certain things that I still disagree with TPM. Especially, no organized schemes/institutions for the sick and poor.
Praise the Lord.
DEAR
I AM A TPM CHURCH MEMBER SINCE MY BIRTH.I HAVE THE FLG QUESTIONS
1. 1CORINTHIANS14 SAYS IF THERE IS NO INTERPRETATION DONT SPEAK IN TONGUES PUBLICLY.WHAT DO YOU SEE IN TPM CHURCH TODAY?
2.THE PENTECOSTAL MISSION–NAME ITSELF IS NOT SO PROUD?(THE)
3.EARLIER THEY SAID BELIEVERS CANT ENTER INTO ZION.
NOW THEY SAY IF THEY HAVE GOODLIFE THEY CAN BE ELIGIBLE.
WHY THIS CONTRADICTION?
I HAVE MANY QUESTIONS. BUT I WANT TO KNOW OTHRES VIEW ABOUT THIS. PLEASE COMMENT
Dearly Beloved,
May the GOD of Heaven have Mercy on all who are contentious…1Co 11:16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.
To all who have doubts Concerning the Life of a Called and True Sevant of GOD… Please Read Rev.14:1-5. Reveals the LIFE of all that will stand on Mount ZION with the LAMB.
STOP!!! looking at the Fallen Workers and Believers…LOOK AT VICTORIOUS JESUS, HE IS THE APOSTLE AND HIGH PRIEST. Contend for the FAITH once delivered unto the saints. ST. Paul says in 1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway. Those who are a Castaway did not follow this rule St. Paul has declared… that does not mean the preaching or the Apostolic Doctrines and this Apostolic Fellowship is not true or Correct.
There are two types of Ignorant people mentioned in the WORD of GOD.
1) Who really are “IGNORANT” of the Glory that is to come…these are termed as “Simple” in the Book of Proverbs. To them LORD JESUS gives an Advice: Pro 1:22,23 How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge? Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.
2) Who are “Willingly Ignorant” 2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: and again in Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. People who are guilty of this SIN, need to repent truly…GOD may Graciously Forgive and Resurrect you again in your Spiritual Life.
JESUS is Coming SOON!!!
Dearly Beloved,
May the GOD of Heaven have Mercy on all who are contentious…1Co 11:16
But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom,
neither the churches of God.
To all who have doubts Concerning the Life of a Called and True Sevant of GOD… Please Read Rev.14:1-5. Reveals the LIFE of all that will stand on Mount ZION with the LAMB.
STOP!!! looking at the Fallen Workers and Believers…LOOK AT THE VICTORIOUS JESUS,
HE IS THE APOSTLE AND HIGH PRIEST. Contend for the FAITH once delivered unto
the saints. ST. Paul says in 1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it
into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others,
I myself should be a castaway. Those who are a Castaway did not follow this rule St. Paul,
has declared… that does not mean the preaching or the Apostolic Doctrines and
this Apostolic Fellowship is not true or Correct.
There are two types of Ignorant people mentioned in the WORD of GOD.
1) Who really are “IGNORANT” of the Glory that is to come…these are termed as
“Simple” in the Book of Proverbs. To them LORD JESUS gives an Advice:
Pro 1:22,23 How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the
scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?
Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you,
I will make known my words unto you.
2) Who are “Willingly Ignorant” 2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are
ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and
the earth standing out of the water and in the water: and again in
Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going
about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves
unto the righteousness of God. People who are guilty of this SIN, need
to repent truly…GOD may Graciously Forgive and Resurrect you again in
your Spiritual Life.
JESUS is Coming SOON!!!
Those who continue to believe that only celibates can inherit Zion may continue to believe so.
I believe that marriage is undefiling. A married man who has been a good Samaritan in his life has a better chance of inheriting Zion than a celibate who brags about his superiority while emotionally, physically, spiritually, or sexually abusing others.
“And whosoever doth not bear his cross and come after me cannot be my disciple”-Luke 14:27 In the previous verse we see one who does not hate his own life also cnnot be his diciple.In Rev.12:11 it is mentioned that they loved not their lives unto the death. We should not measure others with our scale or our knowledge. Little knowledge is dangeous. There are (not all) true ministers in THE PENTECOSTAL MISSION who like Jesus Christ -they are only interested in doing the will of God. They have surrendered the body, soul and sprit to the God, Even though they live in this world they are not of the world.(John 17:16) . I am a believer of The Pentecostal Mission for the past 54 years. I have seen true disciples of Jesus Christ. They live only for believers like us. They pray for us-they comfort us -Another thing is death is common for all. Even if we do medicines death cannot be conquered. Medicine is not the only criteria for man”s healing. Only thing is our inner man must be healed first. mind free & pure.
dear all , i want all of you to understand first and foremost, cpm or tpm in india has produced some of the finest saints and godly men in the body of christ. this is an undeniable fact.
since the reformation thru’ martin luter GOD is at the work of restroation, systametically and progresely, here a little there a little line upon line precept upon precept, God is renewing and restoring the apostolic doctrine and truth.
in which case cpm or tpm is one of such movement which was and is directly controlled by GOD himself for the work of restrotion of first truth.
and also one should understand cpm or tpm , though has gone thru’ so many a tempest (as every true ones go thru’) yet it has produced some of the finest and best saints, who used the full grace of GOD for the body of christ.
men like pastor paul, pastor fredy paul, pastor a.c.thomas , pastor s.earnest, pastor t.u thomas are all great men of god and there are countless others hidden and died.
lets prove our faith in good works first and our godlines in contenment before ventureing into any such arguments and clarifications about the right abd wron of cpm.
the psalmist king david says
Ps 131:1 Lord, my heart is not haughty, nor my eyes lofty: neither do I exercise myself in great matters, or in things too high for me.
may he lord give us insight and discrestion on this.
In reply to James. I agree TPM produced many god fearing saints like Pastor Paul, Pastor A C Thomas, etc. Even today, we find Pastors who practise humility, having a burden for the poor, widows and fatherless. The majority are those who favour money and position and lean on believers’ influence in posting and transfering the Workers. I know of transfer being cancelled in less than 24 hours when believers march into the Chief Pastor’s Room. why do they at Workers Meeting announce that those entering the ministry must be willing to be following wherever the Lamb goes. What a laugh. The rule has different treatment depending who the person is. I know of at least 2 Pastors who did not like Faith Home food that he had all his meals catered from his favourite believer’s home . And also of a Pastor who calls a sister believer every morning to update her of the home visits he did the nite before. She then calls her cronies to update them. The Pastor above are know to the Chief Pastors yet their deeds are not condoned. All we can say these are these are signs of the last days. If you give freely to the Pastors, you are in their good books. If these people fall fell or die, the Pastor (even Chief Pastor) will make great effort to spent $$ on flight to visit them, deploy workers to stay with the sick. If these people’s situation turn into financial weakness (that is, your contribution is not to their expectation), or a widow, or a fatherless, these so-called saints will only support you with their lip prayers; workers are very busy, no time to stay and pray for you. Do you know why Joseph Vijayan was asked to leave? Yet, we find Pastors who did worst still in the ministry. This is reality. Even in Church, Money talks.
who that’s stupid
No doubt this church is a good one.
jesus picked twelve to be his apostle ,out of which one
was a devil,all are not crooks for every “ONE” EVIL GOD
HAS ELEVEN GOOD.
PRAISE GOD!
this is counter to lazrus
there is no need for any further reply or clarification on this issue i wanna say this out of the bible
Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Matthew 7: 1-3
Speak not against anyone whose burden you have not
weighed yourself.
are you a cpm worker, did you experence what they have experienced. it is up to them and GOD ,why bother the other side, let GOD do thAT i dont think you are 100/- free from selfisheness and from other vices and i dont think you have overcome all evil.
And remember “What we all tend to
complain about most in other people are those things we
don’t like about ourselves. ”
only short sighted and ignorant people would want to deal topics like this
GOD BE GRACIOUS.
God saves with sword and spear.
do you believe in JESUS CHRIST?????
has he done anything bad other than good for you….
then why is the LOVE OF JESUS being cut dissected tested and experimented with,there are different means of GOD revealing his love……
and if somebody feels it somewhere in whatever condition he/she is maybe he/she is a minister of GOD married unmarried follower of the TPM faith….we are nobody to judge…because in the same manner we judge we shall also be judged…
why are we giving a chance for the LOVE OF JESUS which saved us gentiles and made us worthy to be called his children be disgraced because of our petty differences..
ALL GLORY BE TO MY SAVIOUR LORD JESUS……
PRAISE THE LORD
To all the true believers out there,PLEASE DONT WASTE YOUR TIME ARGUING WITH SUCH,
God is on the throne ..1 cor 3:11-13
Every mans work shall be made manifest ,for the day shall declare it becuse it shall be revealed by fire and the fire shall try everymans work of what sort it is.
The devil just cant stand to see true people of God being blessed and is using agents to remove our vision from our actual calling of serving God faithfully.
BY THE GRACE OF GOD THE TPM CHURCH HAD,HAS AND WILL CONTINUE TO STAND FIRM ON ITS TEACHINGS ,GIVEN TO US BY GOD AND THE SAINTS AND WILL CONTINUE TO PERSEVERE “TO PRESENTEVERY MAN PERFECT IN CHRIST JESUS”…IRRESPECTIVE of all the shortcomings that may happen as they are also humans!and irrespective of whatever others may say…!
May God open our eyes of understanding to realise that there is no more time to crticise other people…and its high time we all set right our own lives…
God bless all!!
it’s easy to give comments about TPM pastors and Brothers ,but it is difficult live such a sanctified life in this world and it is impossible without the Grace of God ,one should taste the doctorine of TPM and those who tasted will not comment on the pastors and brothers.PRAISE THE LORD.HARIBABU, INDORE.M.P.INDIA
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN
SAM : YOU HAVE LEFT THE MINISTRY – WHILE IN THE MINISTRY YOU WERE A LAMB AND NOW ……. GO BACK TO THE STORY OF “SOUR GRAPE AND THE FOX” AND ENJOY YOUR LIFE.
I WILL NOT HESITATE TO READ THE COMMENTS MADE BY THE BELIEVERS AND NON BELIEVERS. BUT I WILL NOT BE INTERESTED TO APPRECIATE AN EX SERVANT OF GOD’S COMMENTS.
PLEASE NOTE:
MORE CRITICISM – IS REQUIRED, THEN ONLY MORE AND MORE PEOPLE WILL READ THE ONGOING COMMENTS AND OUT OF THEM ATELEAST 10 PEOPLE WILL COME TO KNOW THE TRUTH OF TPM AND ITS TEACHING.
IT’S THEM TO DECIDE.
K.S. PHILIP – U.A.E.
NOTHING TO SAY MUCH BUT FEW WORDS TO ALL :
AS IN THE DAYS OF NOAH – NOAH BUILT THE ARK AND AS ADVISED BY GOD HE AND HIS FAMILY AND ALL THEM THAT TAKEN REFUGE WERE SAVED…… SO LET IT BE A MORAL TO ALL OF US….
HI Friend!!!
Can you tell me something about your Salvation….How do you get saved???
How significant is the Cross of Christ with regard to your salvation????
What is the role played by you in this!!!!???
What is the role of God in it???
What is the role of the Holy Spirit in it????
Dear K.S. Philip:
To my understanding, Sam was not in the ministry.
Thanks for reading the comments of TPM dissenters like me. I would personally not hesitate reading anybody’s comments as long as they are siding with the truth and in line with the scripture.
TPM must abolish its law-based doctrines regarding tithes, celibacy, and many other similar rules (please read the “Answers to 50 difficult questions” book published by TPM). It is obvious that some of the teachings are man-made and not in line with scriptures.
Our vision of Cross and the grace of salvation must not be crowded by any law-based doctrines.
May the grace and love of God be with us and guide us.
Yes i would like to subscribe.
Nesa kumar …Pls find my answers for all your question!!! BE AN ANALYTICAL!!!
1. Tithes and Offerings: No servants of God have ever asked me Tithes or Offerings. They live by faith.
ANS: BUT, BY THE FACT IF YOU ARE NOT GIVING TITHES…FOR A LONG TIME…THEY’LL APPROCH U VERY PERSONALLY!!! OTHERWISE THEY DO KEEP PREACHING ABOUT THIS ON AND ON UNTIL YOU DO!!!
2.Simple life: I have seen many rich people in this church who live a very simple life.
ANS: AFTER CERTAIN YEARS…MAY BE IN 10 YEARS TIME!!! ALL THIS RICE BELIVERS WILL BECOME POOREST OF POORER!!! THEY’LL CERTAINLY MAKE IT!!! B’COZ, FOR ALL THE WORKER BROTHERS AND SISTERS EVERYDAY LIVING IS BEHIND THEIR RICH PEOPLES MONEY!!!
3.No elections in pastorate committee: No elections or fights.
ANS: WHO SAID: FROM NORMAL BROTHER TO SENIOR BROTHER THEN ELDER BROTHER THEN ASST PASTOR THEN PATOR LIKE WISE KEEP GOING…IF ANY NOMINAL ELECTIONS MEANS THERE’LL ONE LEADER…HERE EVERYONE IS A LEADER!!! SO, LIKE EVERDAY IS A ELECTION DAY!!!
4.Food is served for all the believers every sunday, free of cost. NO CHURCH IN THE WORLD DOES THAT.
ANS: OH MY GOD: FREE OF COST??? IT’S THE MONEY THAT THEY UNVOLUNTARILY PULLED IT FROM YOUR POCKET AND IF YOU GO INSIDE AND SEE…THEY SERVE YOU THE CHEAPEST FOOD FOR EVERONE AND INSIDE THEY’LL EAT AS IF THEY ARE GOING TO DIE ON TOMORROW…IT’S ALL THE POOR BELIVERS HARD EARNED MONEY…YOU KNOW!!!?
5.I have seen many SAINTS OF GOD LEAD AN OVERCOMING LIFE AND FINISHING THEIR RACE IN FAITH.
ANS: DO NOT COMPARE APPLE TO APPLE…NO MAN SHALL SEE THE LORD IF YOU SEE THEIR PERSONAL LIFE OF EVERYONE!!!
6. I am not praising THE PENTECOSTAL MISSION AND DENYING CHRIST, BUT, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW THE APOSTOLES
WHO ARE THE FOUNDATION AND JESUS WHO IS THE CORNER STONE.
ANS: OFCOURSE…JESUS IS JUST A STONE FOR THEM…IF HE REALLY PUNISHES THEM ON EVERY DAY OR EVERY HOUR FOR ALL THEIR NONSENSE…THEY MIGHT HAVE TURN TO A GOOD PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND ME!!!
7.WE HAD MANY PROBLEMS IN OUR FAMILY.
MY DAD WAS A DRUNKARD, MY BROTHER WAS GROWING TO BE A TERRORIST AND ME A VERY BIG SINNER.
JESUS LEAD ME THROUGH THE SAINTS OF THIS CHURCH TO BE A GOOD SON OF GOD.
ANS: JUST WAIT AND SEE ONE DAY YOU BECOME A DRUNKEN MUNK…AFTER SEE ALL THEIR BEHIND THE SCENES NONSENSE…AND SOMEHOW THEY’LL MAKE YOU TO COME ON STREET…NOT IMMEDIATELY SLOWLY OVER EVEN 10 YEARS TIME!!!
8.Please DONT CRITIZISE THE SAINTS OF GOD, WITHOUT KNOWING THE TRUTH.
ANS: I WAS BORN AND BROUGHT UP WITH THIS STUPID CONGREGATIION…AND MY PARENTS LOST EVEN MORE THAN A CRORE/ MILLION OVER DOLLARS SO FOR!!!
9.THEY ARE REAL SAINTS. JESUS WILL COME TO COLLECT HIS SAINTS.
ANS: 1000%…I CAN GURANTEED THAT NON OF THEM ARE GOING TO GO!!! U AND ME WILL BE THERE WITH JESUS ON HIS RIGHT AND LEFT SIDES.
10.PLEASE COME TO THIS CHURCH(I AM NOT ADVERTISING THIS CHURCH).
ANS: RATHER I SUGGEST TO COMMIT YOURSELF!!!
11.THE SAINTS PREACH THAT THEY MAY PRESENT EVERYMAN “PERFECT” IN CHRIST JESUS.
AND: I’M SORRY I DON’T WANT TO USE ANY FILTHY LANUGAGES HERE!!!
12.EVERY ONE CANNOT DO THIS MINISTRY.
ANS: YES…ONLY THE UNEJUCATED STUPIDS…AND IDIOTS AND THOSE WHO CAN GET MONEY FROM POORS AND WANTS TO SIT AND EAT ONLY CAN ABLE TO DO!!!
13.JESUS WAS NOT MARRIED. ST. PAUL WAS NOT MARRIED.
ANS: NEITHER JESUS GO BACK OF OTHER MENS WIFE NOR ST.PAUL!!!
14.JESUS’S DISCIPLINES, SOME OF THEM WERE MARRIED BUT THEY FORSOOK THEIR FAMILY AND FOLLOWED JESUS.
ANS: HERE THEY FORSOOK JESUS AND FOLLOW MARRIED WOMENS!!!
15.OUR SAINTS ALSO FORSAKE THEIR FATHER, MOTHER, BRO, SIS ,
ANS: JUST B’COZ OF THEY ARE GETTING THE ZION OF SOMETHING READY TO GIVE UP THEIR OLD AGE FATHER , MOTHER, BRO AND EVEN SISTER TOO!!!
16.WIFE AND CHILDREN AND TRULY FOLLOW THE LORD.
ANS: SORRY, I COULDN’T GET U!!!
17.IT IS TRUE SOME OF THEM WERE MARRIED, BUT THEY DONT LIVE AS HUSBAND AND WIFE, WHEN THEY SERVE THE LORD.
ANS: YES TRUE, B’COZ, THEY ARE LIVING OTHER MENS WIFE!!!
18.PLEASE, IF YOU CANT LEAD A HOLY LIFE, LIKE THEM, PLEASE DO NOT CRITIZISE THEM.
ANS: MUST HAVE A COURRAGE TO TELL THE TRUTH TO THE WHOLE WORLD…AND DO NOT BE VICTIM OF THOSE NONSENSE PEOPLE…PLEASE!!!
19.PLEASE DONT BE A STUMBING BLOCK TO OTHERS.
ANS: WISH U WITH THE SAME!!! DON’T GUIDE SOME ONE FOLLOW THIS STUPID THEN ONE DAY YOU CAN’T REVERT BACK…BY THE TIME YOU HAVE LOST YOU TIME, MONEY, AND EVEN VIRGINITY TOO!!!
20.MAY GOD BLESS YOU AND MAKE YOU TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT JESUS AND HIS SAINTS.
ANS: SAINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????????????????????????????????????????
21.PRAISE THE LORD.
ANS: VERY SCARRY TO HEAR THIS WORD AGAIN IN MY LIFE!!! I NEVER EVEN MENTIION THIS WORD IN MY EVERYDAY PRAYER.
CONCLUSION:
I was also born and brought up with this stupid congregation!!! and Now I completely stop going to this church ( Very ashamed to call it as a church…It’s a robbers group ).
And I never even walk in the street of where this people are living…and What ever Rachel address here is all 100% True to best of my knowledge.
And When ever the new comers are coming to this church….This people will talk like….!!!
“SOMEHOW…THEY ARE GOING TO BRING EVERYONE TO THE HEAVEN…BUT, FINALLY, IF YOU SEE THEM IN PRACTICAL AND THEY’LL MAKE YOU TO SEE THE “””HELL””” IN THIS WORLD IT SELF!!!”
Apart from all these things and if you ever get a chance to see their person life…Huuuuuh., No Man Can Really See The Lord!!!
And now a day’s I’m seeing them more of money minded…often preach only about MONEY!!! MONEY!!! AND MONEY!!!
That too..you know, they’ll get it even from very poor and needy and mostly they might be widowers and old age grandmothers.
And their only income source is getting the money from the local believers…But, When ever you walk in to this church you’ll see them A tray full of food…Which they often call it us GOD’s BLESSING!!!
And if you really see the qualification of each worker brothers and sisters…you’ll really become MAD!!! Since yesterday…He May Be a Helper Boy…In a local Bi-Cycle Puncture Shop. But, Just after the day he gone thru selection process of the ministry…He’ll become the part of 1,44,000!!! And will act like a direct representative of Jesus Christ!!!
For all their idiotic approaches and nonsense meassages…I personally felt it’s all b’coz, of their illiteracy!!! And 99% worker brothers and sisters are came from very rural and poor family too.
But, just by using God’s name…how a man can live a life like this and who ask them to be a un married person…which often leads them to look for every other mens wife!!!
And you name any DEADLY SINS in this world and you can see these are the people often doing all these nonsense!!!
I curse and dedicate all the filthy languages in this world should go behind all their names…for ever!!!
ACCORDING TO ME…I HAVE NEVER EVER SEE SUCH A SHAMELESS CREATURES IN THIS WORLD!!!
I’M REALLY NOT GOING TO LEAVE THIS CHEATERS JUST LIKE THAT…SOONER I’LL BRING ALL THIS TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE GOVT BODIES AND MAKE THIS IDIOTS TO REPAY ALL THE MONEY BACK TO PEOPLE WHO BECOME A VICTIM OF THEM IN ALL THE WAY!!!
I was also born and brought up with this stupid congregation!!! and Now I completely stop going to this church ( Very ashamed to call it as a church…It’s a robbers group ).
And I never even walk in the street of where this people are living…and What ever Rachel address here is all 100% True to best of my knowledge.
And When ever the new comers are coming to this church….This people will talk like….!!!
“SOMEHOW…THEY ARE GOING TO BRING EVERYONE TO THE HEAVEN…BUT, FINALLY, IF YOU SEE THEM IN PRACTICAL AND THEY’LL MAKE YOU TO SEE THE “””HELL””” IN THIS WORLD IT SELF!!!”
Apart from all these things and if you ever get a chance to see their person life…Huuuuuh., No Man Can Really See The Lord!!!
And now a day’s I’m seeing them more of money minded…often preach only about MONEY!!! MONEY!!! AND MONEY!!!
That too..you know, they’ll get it even from very poor and needy and mostly they might be widowers and old age grandmothers.
And their only income source is getting the money from the local believers…But, When ever you walk in to this church you’ll see them A tray full of food…Which they often call it us GOD’s BLESSING!!!
And if you really see the qualification of each worker brothers and sisters…you’ll really become MAD!!! Since yesterday…He May Be a Helper Boy…In a local Bi-Cycle Puncture Shop. But, Just after the day he gone thru selection process of the ministry…He’ll become the part of 1,44,000!!! And will act like a direct representative of Jesus Christ!!!
For all their idiotic approaches and nonsense meassages…I personally felt it’s all b’coz, of their illiteracy!!! And 99% worker brothers and sisters are came from very rural and poor family too.
But, just by using God’s name…how a man can live a life like this and who ask them to be a un married person…which often leads them to look for every other mens wife!!!
And you name any DEADLY SINS in this world and you can see these are the people often doing all these nonsense!!!
I curse and dedicate all the filthy languages in this world should go behind all their names…for ever!!!
ACCORDING TO ME…I HAVE NEVER EVER SEE SUCH A SHAMELESS CREATURES IN THIS WORLD!!!
JDADAM, GOD HELP YOU FORGET ALL INJURY INFLICTED TO BY …. SELF MADE SAINTS.
GOD BE GRACIOUS TO YOU.
Dear Adam
By name itself ADAM and by birth you were into this demonination. Seems that you are deceived by EVE. So better look into your problems rather solving others. Nesa Kumar wrote his view points with related to his personnel life. While giving tiths he is not going to be rich person nor he will become poor. Yes, there might be servants of God who preachs to give tiths. If you don’t want to give and they will not put their hands into your pocket and forcely take away money from you.
You said servants of God using other wives……. i think he is the smarted servants of God among all others. (be aware and take care of our wife and report to other believers and that’s the way to get rid of them) Barking dog never bites.
So, at the end dear ADAM and do think by critizing this way or that way The Pentecostal Mission will come done.
At every convention there are plentiful people attents and take water baptism and so many are coming to serve the Lord (Cycle Punture reparing) even a blind man comes foward to serve the lord, if it is God’s will he will be also taken into the ministry.
Please do send comments, let us hear from you more and more and you were born and bought up into this mission…. May God bless you more and more
I invite the following people to email me to clarify their position on TPM doctrines:
1. K.S. PHILIP – U.A.E.
2. JDAdam
3. Nesa Kumar
4. Salomie
5. with tears new soul in TPM
6. Sam Alan
My email: lawtru@yahoo.co.in
Hope to hear from you and be edified in the word of God.
God bless you all in Christ.
Thanks
Gvp,
Thanks for your Email address.
I will get in touch with you.
Sam alan
Dear GVP
Little bit confused with your query, Is it related to TPM doctrinal issues !!
What exactly do you know want to know from all the listed personnel. If you are really wanted to know the doctrinal truth of the TPM. It will be better to be advised to go in person and have a face to face talk with one of our chief pastors or else a central pastor will do. Surely they will not hesitate to explain in detail.
Thank you once from all the above listed members..
K.S. Philip
Is any of the TPM pastors are Ready to Debate with Zakir Naik of IFT at Mumbay ?
can TPM pastors Debate with http://www.bible.ca ?
Beula / Victoria / Nathaniel of a same Family became poor by Foolishly given everything to False Doctrine TPM.
If you want check pls check at TPM Fraser Town. Bangalore district karnataka state.India.
Sir, I saw your posting at TPM site on 7-1-2011.and invited some people. To debate.
How can TPM Belivers honestly Debate on their Doctrines ?? it is not possible….!
We are not accusing TPM pastors are their Women workers….. Falsely…!
Many TPM members knows the Truth ! but Mute..!
1)Male TPM Pastors ,many of them , almost HOMOSEXUAL’S….!
2)Female TPM workers are Dominating the True / Poor Male Pastors.
Some of The Male Pastors are Forced to have Sex with them………!
If not Obeyed.Falsely accused them with the Charge of RAPE…!
And Expelled them from TPM. Some male pastors commited Suciede at TPM church Rooms……..!
Every Male or Female workers of TPM lives a Lavish life…..
3)Those who known the secrets of TPM are not Allowed to Live. Or put them in Jails(Rooms closed for ever)
By the name of Angel of Light………!
4) male and Female workers Often Loves each other and Marry’s… and Expelled from TPM Church…
5)They plays with Grape juice which was used for Lord’s supper…..
6)TPM have no proper account for their Money… which comes through Tites / Offerings………
7)They preach many False Doctrines………….!
why TPM not doing Missionary or Evangilical mission,to Non Christians. can you post atleast this??
santhosh,
write to this email id jimarock@gmail.com if you wish to know more
In southern india Malayalies are dominating the TPM management. peoples of other communities forced to stand behind CRUEL Malayalies.
Paul from Bangalore – Austin Town.
Whatever you guy’s talk…I strongly believe in one thing that whoever makes money using GOD’s name are really really going to HELL ONE DAY.
And every man born in this world must work hardly to fullfull his everyday eatings…not just by using god’s name and get something and eat nicely with poorerers money.
Doing Adultery is a part of human life…and if anyone say’s that by the grace of GOD if they can win all this…is a great stupidity.
Who need doctrines…Thevadhiyapayalugha…Just to get others money…keep talking of all these nonsenses.
According to me…God will not going to forsake any human being from this world and he’ll somehow make everyone in to the perfection and lead to the heaven. we no need any of those worker stupids to come in to the picture and bring us to the heaven.
I still can’t imagine how a person call live a lavish life with other money…this is what those worker nonsense are doing every day.
24hrs they think of how to spoil other families….either by steal all their money or thier soemthing soemthing.
I’m telling you one thing that GOD is there even before he create all these world and the people…and this TPM is just started not ever 100 yrs old one…So, no one will go to heaven for all the past centuries.
Again again, i’m telling you the same thing…don’t be a victim of them…God is there always and everywhere. you can have a good life just walking even in to the nominal Christian churches.
Not like…they always talk as if they keep JESUS in their pocket.
In the whole world everyone is running behind the money in one way or the other….these guy’s approach are bit specialized.
Finally…if really these stupid’s are really going to going go to the heaven means…I’m sure sure, not intrested to come to the same heaven and i preferred to go to HELL Peacefully. B’coz, this stupid will try to cheat even in the heaven also.
I’m convinced with the way the crowed coming to the convention…ask them to stop the food….That’s all. All gone!!!
This is their another biggest trick. and taking babtism…What is that!!! another stupidity!!!
Guy’s please think and do not scared of going hell even…instead, following these nonsesnce people…i strongly advise you guys can choose your own hell. Will be a much better place.
If we take a virginity test for all the male and female workers…i can gurantee it’ll 0 count. no one will pass.
Are you all stupids…if any one can live without having any sexual urges!!!? and you know what’s their answer for this when they caught up red handedly…Saying that we all are in the same flush. Stpid guys. Rather i can suggest to cut and throw when they all join the ministery then we see how many of them are coming…now a day’s lot of operations are available in either way!!!
I’m sorry guy’s i’m quiet rude…B’coz, i’m very very angry with their approach.
However…we see who comments in which way…then i can proceed accordingly in the future.
Have a good life and you are the master for all your own Happiness and Sorrows.
Cheers.
JDADAM.
@Ms.Tears
1. Read and meditate the scriptures with a concordance Bible and a Chain reference. Psalms 1:2.
God is so busy person and have no time to see what the nonses you wear on everyday. for him gold and iron are the same…and it’s all his simple creators.
2.Ask and wait on the Holy Spirit for a word of encouragement.
Honestly!!! I’m waiting for last 30 years nothing coming…upon me…Practically i’ll say that No holisprit will coming up on men…and i have asked people who jump and here and tehre and also prophasize in jesus name…finally, they aggreed nothing it’s all just a gimmics.
3. Share that word of encouragement with those in suffering and pain.
once you walk in to their church,,,then sure you will start suffer for everything…b’coz, they already steall all your one’s, Right!!!?
4. Gather the family members and neighbors and lead them in worship to God as per Acts 2:46.
This is very interesting and very important point.
Of course if you spend all yoru money…for watching all these thing,,,,then you have nothing to give them anything , Know!!!? and to know the experience of death,,,,How, will you die and get back!!!
You go continuously,,,,they’ll make you animal there
5. Colossians 3:16.
I can’t imaagine that how a person can forshake their own parents and walk in to such kind of churc activiy,…just because of they are going to get the heaven.
6. Give tithes
Leave them alone having no food for three days…and will see how many of them going to serve the lord…then don’t tell in 1947…there was a sister or brother did like this or that.
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One kind request .
Can you please go and check yourself with any pshycaristics,,,who can assits you nicely,
Finally, you see all these belivers or workers….they often want to follow jesus,,,Just because of they are getting something.
and if you compare you guys with other religions…you are the most greedy people that you don’t want anything from this world,,,But, you need a very BIG HEAVEN!!!
Hell is…mainly meant for those who more greedy in this world.
its very interesting to read things about a church that i have been attending for the past 31 years….BLINDLY. i guess i was amongst many who were born and brought up in this TPM faith. but what is more interesting is that i left the church mid of last year (2010) due to few reasons …even before i got to read this hurting yet beliveable blogs….why believable coz i have seen so many of the written stuff is really TRUE.
i stopped using powder at the age of 7 because an old lady came from India who claimed to be a worker from the TPM and preached to us saying that those who wear powder or any type of facial will go to hell…and day in and out they will rot in hell with face filled with powder. she painted a very bad picture and as a very young child …who was very religious..it really terrified me… what’s more amazing is that now ..the TPM workers are buying facial for whitening their skin…and im not talking about all…you will be amazed to know this same bunch of workers who removed mirrors from the bathrooms to reduce vanity amongst young girls…and try to drill no fashions of the world…but what has happened? double standards?
well at the age of 8..i met with a car accident…and again i was taught from young that if your a christian …you depend of Jesus for healing…which we called it divine healing…so my parents were advised not to admit me in the hospital….and due to that or i dont know what….my blood got infected….and i have been suffering from psoriasis…for the past 24 years….and this same people asked me to pray for my deliverance,…and the worst is that they told me…maybe i got this so that i will serve God in the TPM full time ministry….though i must say i was a bit impressed with the Indian TPM workers who did their ministry in Malaysia….but overall i was disappointed with so many things….
there we many young ladies who joined the ministry to do out reach ministry…but the sad thing is that they were made to be in the kitchen to cook for the pastor in charge…or for the chief pastor when he is in Malaysia for the anual convention…or they are made to wash the bathrooms and iron their senior’s white saree…im sure that can build character….how sad….there are so many perishing souls….out there but we are more interested in feeding ourselves…i am asking them not to eat….but there are more important things why God called you to serve Him.
my family was one of the families that really loved God and gave importance to the workers as they were serving the almighty God. but its sad when this workers use these type of families to do their personal chores…..each church needs a group of people to support each other…not to make use…
my sister and i got married in this faith because i didnt want to disappoint my in-laws…basically that was it. coz in TPM churches…the funerals are more exciting than the weddings….i agree with being decent in the gown that a bride wears…but with no flowers…no rings…i cant accept…a wedding is suppose to be the happiest day in a person’s life and you know it will only happen once…but the sad thing is….in TPM it is NOT. well… i though God created flowers…and you know something…i was so disappointed to know the TPM church in the US actually is decorated with flowers on the pulpit….what the heck…right!!!another story of my life…and many others.
last week i heard from a TPM believer the chief pastor of Malaysia said during the annual children’s day that you dont have to send your kids for higher education….coz the drug addicts and drop outs are from Harvard and Cambridge..so there is no use in studying….is this what you tell the young generation….he even said stop making babies and focus on God…who is he to say that…i thought children were blessings of God, the Father. well are they saying all this to make the married people feel miserable…and break a happy marriage or make people to hate the institution of marriage so that there will be more people to join the “consecrated ministry” that they take pride on? that is not right…the calling should be from God. it shouldnt be forced on anyone…
i am very glad that my whole family has left the TPM after 31 years…and have joined decent churches and i still believe in God and i still pray that one day…all this people will come to their senses and make the right decision of following the bible and the teaching of Jesus and not any of the teaching of the chief pastor or central pastors….or i’m sure the wrath of God will come on us and there might not be a place to hide.
God, please show us the right way that we may be able to know what is right and wrong. I pray on behalf of all the churches that we should be one in the body of Jesus and not create new teaching to suit our personal interest. Jesus, please forgive things that we have done knowingly or unknowingly. Only you can lead the way to heaven. Please, Father in heaven…show is mercy and deliver our souls from eternal damnation and from Satan. Amen
Dear Priscilla,
Thanks for your comments. And i would like to comment on this —
“i am very glad that my whole family has left the TPM after 31 years”
Dear do not worry, be happy and lively happily but one thing you must notice that so many Priccilla’s, pastors, mothers and sisters left the ministry, but still TPM and its teaching are followed by so many fools including myself and family.
So what I want to say that you are wise as per your wisdom, knowledge and understanding.
Now please tell if God gives you the incharge of TPM what all changes you want to make.
Wedding day and funeral day – full of flowers….. etc.
See after 31 years and a sudden change….. yes, sit in the presence of God and ask why and for what ??? If God speaks to you with an answer…. please let me know.
May the almighty bless you and your family too….
Philip n fly…..(Abu Dhabi)
Dear Phillip:
You have the liberty to criticize Priscilla’s reasons to quit TPM, but there is one point you have missed.
Priscilla said this: “and i have been suffering from psoriasis…for the past 24 years….and this same people asked me to pray for my deliverance,…and the worst is that they told me…maybe i got this so that i will serve God in the TPM full time ministry”
This incident reminds me of the Pharisees in the days of Jesus who made lepers and lames to live outside the city gates because they thought physical illnesses come as a result of God’s wrath. Phillip, we all know from the Bible how Jesus called the Pharisees ‘generation of vipers’ and told everyone that sickness is from the devil. We all know how Jesus picked up the downtrodden and healed them and made them praise God.
Now, if TPM is telling the sick and downtrodden this ‘you-are-like-this-in-order-to-serve-God’ lie, then there is a serious problem. By the way, I also know a young girl who is still lame from polio attack because her pious TPM parents failed to give her polio drops. Do you have any comments on this?
Please look down on those who quit TPM. After all, she has quit ‘only TPM’ …she still has Jesus.
Peace.
Dear Chel,
If you are thinking negatively, then I can’t do much. I did not critized her by any means. On the other side i felt sorry for her leaving TPM after 31 years.
“Priscilla said this: “and i have been suffering from psoriasis…for the past 24 years….and this same people asked me to pray for my deliverance,…and the worst is that they told me…maybe i got this so that i will serve God in the TPM full time ministry”
Dear Chel, are you sure that the above points given are true and valid reasons to quit TPM. If she was suffering for the last 24 years …… and do you think that any human mind will think of her asking to do the TPM full time ministry…. and also do you think it is very easy for a normal healthy personnel to do a full time TPM Ministry. To do this ministry, requires a lot of grace from God and also need a calling too… by force and by someones request and thereby filling up a form will not suffice.
I hope you lack a complete knowledge of “TPM Ministry” and I am much sorry to make such comments.
Quote:
“See after 31 years and a sudden change….. yes, sit in the presence of God and ask why and for what ??? If God speaks to you with an answer…. please let me know. ”
Dear Chel, please go through the above quote, wherein I am requesting Priscilla to sit in the presence of God and to plead to get an answer for her prayer.
I hope the points clarifies your comments.
Thanks and wish you all the best.
Regards Philip (anicha@eim.ae)
Dear TPM Friends,
The time has come that we have to wake up from our sleep….the time is at hand….there is no reason to grumble or complain but rather let us focus on the living word of God which is able to build us up…..
The word of God is sufficient enough to answer all the questions….it was given to us by God Himself for our life and godliness there is nothing lacking in it….
Enough of all the extra Biblical talks, let us search the Scriptures diligently and everything that is not in accordance to the Word of God, we’ll have to straightaway renounce it…
Let us shed away all our opinions that are subjective and not authentic….let us look unto the Word of God that is True and Perfect……
In Simple Terms…,
” A Thinker Can’t Be A Believer….
And A Believer Can’t Be A Thinker ”
” The Hands That Help Are Far Better….
Than The Lips That Pray!!! ”
” And If I Do Anything Wrong…
Let The GOD, Can Tell Me Direct But Not U!!!”
So Guy’s…Please Start To Think…At Least From Now…And try to help all the needy people, As Much As You…Can!?
Regards
JDADAM.
Hey Mr. K.S Philip…I’m Having More Than 40 Years of Experience with TPM…Much Eligible Than CHEL!!!
In Your Further Reply…Can You Please Define, According To Your Own Diction…
1. God’s Calling
2. God’s Grace ( Lot Off…By Means…Then, What Is The Unit Off, Measurement!!!?)
So…Let The Whole World Can Understand… How You Guy’s Are Cheating This Whole Word!!!?
And in my hometown, So for we have seen more than 20-30 new worker brothers came in a transfer rotation…And about 60-70 commit adultery in their own church believers and remaining %’s are failed b’coz they were just caught up red handedly…Just to save them they got transfer here!!!
Give me a very honest answer…, After having the calling for the God’s Ministry…How many of your Local brother run away with the Local Sister or with the younger sister!!!
Even in one of my known local faithhome…and the worker brother rape the younger sister and runaway!!!
And a very senior pastor told me once…How A Man Can See The Apples…Without Touching it!!!
And one of my know worker brother keep targeting his own local faith home younger sister….Like wise i can give so many testimonies here!!!
God is the person made the whole world so beautifully…I also can trust this….At the same time do you think…Is this the same GOD will call all these stupid for his own ministry!!!
70% of all the worker brothers and sisters are uneducated…and they don’t what they are doing even.
After all seeing all these nonsense…and if God ever give me all this ministry in my hand and i declare to close down this entire ministry and ask all these guy’s go out to find their own job to make them understand that earning of even a single $ is how much tough!!! and also i’ll save the whole world from these nonsense speakers.
TPM Workes and Believers are one really going to go to hell. and the hell is really really meant for them alone!!!
How…May After Seeing Your…Reply!!!
It is no coincidence that Pentecostals claim to speak in tongues and prophecy the same as all the other false gospel groups (Gnostics, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, Catholics, Quakers, Shakers, Seventh-day Adventists, Christian Scientists and W. church of God). So on what basis can we distinguish Pentecostalism from these other gospels who also claim extra biblical revelation such as tongues and prophecy? None of the Churches on this list are there by coincidence. They are all there because of their extra-biblical revelation, that God pronounces a plague upon in the last book of Revelation.
Some Pentecostals try and tie tongues to an end times event where they believe there will be a great revival featuring signs and wonders. They use Joel 2:28-29 as proof of a latter days outpouring:
And it hath come to pass afterwards, I do pour out My Spirit on all flesh, And prophesied have your sons and your daughters, Your old men do dream dreams, Your young men do see visions. And also on the men-servants, and on the maid-servants, In those days I do pour out My Spirit.
Yet, amazingly enough, this prophecy was fulfilled in Acts when God began to save at Pentecost:
any Church that feigns receiving messages from God directly (when they most obviously are not) are not preaching the Christ of the Bible. But a Christ of their own making, speaking words of their own making, apart from the authority of the Bible. They are lying against the Holy Spirit! They are without question PROPHETS who prophesy lies, claiming/feigning it is God talking! Why so many would attempt to justify this as some misguided honest mistake, I cannot fathom. If it’s not real or true, then it is a lie! A lie from those of the Church through the father of lies.
Acts 2:16-17 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
You see, this event finds it fulfillment in Pentecost AD33, not in our present day. In our present day God says:
Mr 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
Hope this gives you a sober perspective on the subject.
If you want to get some facts, history and insights on the gospel of Pentecostalism, I would recommend reading on the issue. And I would suggest you start here:
http://mountainretreatorg.net/searchit/searchit.cgi?Pentecostal
http://mountainretreatorg.net/searchit/searchit.cgi?Charismatic
I know we love the people there, but the truth is, Pentecostalism or any gospel on FREE WILL IS CONTRARY TO THE WORD OF GOD and is another religion. And this I say not lightly or hastily, but carefully and humbly. For we know that there are many professing Christians deceived by and ensnared in this heretical movement.
CPM/TPMs,
It is easy to Quote Bibilical verses for everthing.But when you start a Church or a mission on that basis ,The church has to stand for the true.
Where as I dont see CPM /TPM does that.
Here are the following thing I have noticed -this common with all CPM believers
1. They are proud to the core all together.-GOD is againts Proud
2.The will not respect fellow christians (Other faiths) They forbid New Testement Law which they Preach.-No Love
3.They claim only CPM belivers will go to ZION.And they have a definite Number for that.-Cult
Assuming all above Points one can come to a concusion that they Just preach the word But they dont follow.
This is a cult organisation which claim only CPM/TPM. Can go to Zion.
I have Made a deep research on CPM/TPM principles.
They ADD a lot to Scripture and make christianity more complicate.
Where as Our Lord is A lord of sinner,He accepts who is in search of HIM, HE seek for the sinners.He came to save the Lost.
Dont confuse Christianity.It is not a religion,It is a way to Heaven.
Once a Person accepts Christ as His Lord truly in the Heart He will not Love this Earth For sure.
His dress code will change,He will not go for luxury etc.
The problem with CPM/TPM is they focus on changing the outerlook and preaching about it .Where as the Inner heart is same as before and more Prider that before.
This will not work My Friends ..CPM beliver.
Love one and other as you love yourself.
And dont break principles of nature .Gods design for Human kind (ADAM & EVE as a family).Unmarried Bro can only be ordained??
If you break God design and His principles, What ever it is You are called A CULT organization.
I definetly know for sure somebody will reply to this message stating i have misunderstood CPM because of a few Happenings…NO I have studied CPM and their belief system.It is very different from what Jesus Christ Preached.
They alway preach what Paul had Preached.This organisation should be called The church of Paul and His mission (CPM).
Paul is a great Preacher of TImes .Even CPM Does not know what paul actuatly meant his in Letters
I Pray to Our Lord Jesus the these Saved people should be SAVED again .
I am sorry if my message hurts anybody.I love you all CPM/TPM.Lord should open all minds Include me too..
But faith and good deeds you can gloryfy Lord .
Faith+Good deeds=>Heaven
Faith=Salvation+baptism by water and fire+identification of Heavenly language.
Good deeds=Love+share+Respect for mankind(sinners).
Above two will only come with change of heart(Repentance).
No Repentance=No Zion. What ever denomination they belong to Lake of fire is reserved for YOU and ME.
God Bless HIS people.
Dear Priest,
Good to see that you have reached a firm conclusion. Let me make a note that Studying and Practising is different. At the end you says you love CPM and TPM then why not you also share their joy and happiness. And also make a note that except TPM / CPM no other denomination will dare to speak about ZION. Can you mention any one.
Regards
Philip
Dear JD Adam,
Hope one day you will be appointed as CPM/TPM CID. You are doing a wonderful job. Thumps UP…..
Regards
Philip
hello
I completely agree with Mr.Aaron & Mr.Priest!!!
But, Philip…I never be ashamed to discuss the truth!!!
Speaking in Tongues: I have even directly checked with all my fellow CPM believers who do Prophecies on end of every tarrying meeting…Said that, “No brother, i do prepare my Prophecies before coming to the meetings”. I’m really honest!!! Trust me!!! I check with more than 10 CPM Prophets!!!
And more over the common SLUNG of the “other lanugage/speaking in tongues” of the tamilnadu CPM Believers is entirely different from Kerala One’s. What you guy’s can comment on it. If it’s channel from heaven must have the same type.
Regarding ZION: You guy’s are not even eligible to talk about this. Now a days…CPM’s visions/doctrines are revised with so many versions . As if, how NASA is finding even the new planets every year.
So, just wait and see…And Tomorrow, the same or the upcoming new pastors will find another better place than the ZION. (Who Knows!!! Highly Possible!!!)
What ever they say…Are you guy’s going to question them any day!!!? As usual, Just nod your heads like a bull and go!!! It’s all your fate!!!
Nothing more to argue on the same subject again and again!!! Already, We have given U enough explanations.
And still…, If you guy’s are able to go to heaven. I absolutely, don’t want to sit besides you there. I prefer to be in the HELL… Comparatively, That Will really be a better place than your HEAVEN!!!
Hello ADam,
Hope yor are there.
Regards
Dear JD Adam,
What is your ultimate point of reaction to all these happening with TPM ? I do not know how to rate your thinking. One thing I want to inform you that only GOD can rectify, if someone is playing with GOD and he has to give account one day or other. So, I suggest dear ADAM just leave all the bad feeling on those believers whom you see that they are corrupt, but atleast you can have good believers.
I will not accept if you say all TPM servants of God and believers are corrupt then i would conclude that your assumptions are totally wrong.
Hope u will reply to me.
Regards Philip
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Iam From the Lord God ( P.Spurgeon Jeba Kumar )
In 1921 Pastor Paul found the Pentecostal Mission in the Presidenciate of Pastor Alwin in this no any Person does not have rights to talk illegal about these saints and other saints of pentecostal mission Iam the Believer and full time worker of ACA Mission which it found by Pastor Sundaram and in Presidenciate of Pastor M.K.Sam Sundaram in these I not spake any ill about them , The Bible says don’t talk ill about servant (ministers of God)to the Master (Triune God) instead these if any saint commit mistake it is not our eager duty to puncture the frame of that saint, son of noah criticis about the nakedness of the Father Kam Was Cursed he moked at the Nakedness of his father so I request all the Saints of Pentecostal mission and out of this holy mission not to found any fake of the above saints that guard us.. please stop spread illuse news regarding Dear Pastor Alwin ,I dont like these Immatured Work of so called saints The eye of the Wise is unto his Face !
Thanking you………………
Iam From the Lord God ( P.Spurgeon Jeba Kumar )
In 1921 Pastor Paul found the Pentecostal Mission in the Presidenciate of Pastor Alwin in this no any Person does not have rights to talk illegal about these saints and other saints of pentecostal mission Iam the Believer and full time worker of ACA Mission which it found by Pastor Sundaram and in Presidenciate of Pastor M.K.Sam Sundaram in these I not spake any ill about them , The Bible says don’t talk ill about servant (ministers of God)to the Master (Triune God) instead these if any saint commit mistake it is not our eager duty to puncture the frame of that saint, son of noah criticis about the nakedness of the Father,Kam Was Cursed he moked at the Nakedness of his father so I request all the Saints of Pentecostal mission and out of this holy mission not to found any fake of the above saints that guard us.. please stop spread illuse news regarding Dear Pastor Alwin ,I dont like these Immatured Work of so called saints The eye of the Wise is unto his Face !
Thanking you………………
Pastor Alwin is the Head Master for the Whole Pentecostal Atmosphere,Pastor Paul is Correspondent of this Precious Mission So dont talk and comment ill about Pastor Alwin in the Authouritiated Name of Lord Jesus Christ Stop this Non sence Please
Sword of God is Near
hii all,
im not sure watever is written here in the blog is it true or not but im surprise if tpm/cpm churches in a such a state.we are not to judge but only jesus can do tat…how about the true believers who leaving by this doctrine…?
HAHA COOL STORY, NOT WORTH AT ALL. PLEASE PREPARE THYSELF TO MEET THY LORD
If any one have concern over the pentecostal mission,it is better not to pass comment on the web coz even gentilles also had the chance to read such a humourous comments,from pastor paul,pastor alwin till now pastor wilson joseph (present chief pastor) dont pass the comment it is better that to shed tears in the feat of the mercy(Jesus)so love pentecostal mission and react how christ react in this world so each an every one loyally and royally publish youre valuable comment on this web-site pray that God must Shower his grace over his pasturate…………
Hi Rachelchitra,
Stumbled on this blog while looking for CPM history. looks like interest has died down a bit no?
Glad you are questioning the existence of God. Used to be there myself. Maybe you should think along the following lines:
1) If things exist by survival of the fittest and natural selection, wouldn’t everything just be a rock? And if there were living things like amoeba, what does the first amoeba benefit by reproducing/multiplying itself? Does an amoeba has a strong desire to leave a legacy behind? What causes its death? Certainly not the same random chance that caused it ti come alive! Why does an animal go through the traumatic process of gestation, birthing and nurturing of its young when it is completely exposed to danger in the whole process? Wouldn’t it be more apt to survive if it was footloose and fancy free?
2) If organisms developed by random mutation, wouldn’t they develop into more simpler forms with each “progression”? Why would they “mutate” into more complex forms that require larger amounts of energy for sustaining life?
3) The mathematical probability of a change in a SINGLE trait, is in the region of 1 in 10 to the power of 24 (or something like that). Mathematically possible, but is it really probable that an animal today exists via such an colossal improbability?
These were the thoughts that moved me to search for the truth about God which led me to thrown my lot with this Jesus who claimed to be sent by GOD. Maybe it may not be relevant to everyone.
Do check out my blog here:
http://vildness.blogspot.com/2011/08/blue-eyed-cutie.html#more
So do keep your heart open, Rachel. Who knows……….
Regarding CPM/TPM
Sam Alan,
You seem to have all bases covered. I recently had a show-down with a fervent CPM-ian (I don’t call them Christ-ian) in Malaysia, who warned me that I will miss the rapture because I was not purifying myself with the the teachings of the “consecrated servants of god” in CPM. I attend the Methodist Church (though they also have a bunch of unScriptural teachings & practices)
The reason for the to-and-fro arguments and the muruku-twisting of Scripture by CPM is simply this: They regard the words of the “consecrated servants of god” as equal in divine authority to the words of Jesus himself. And the pastor reinforce this at every opportunity in every sermon, highlighting their “great sacrifices/consecration etc”.
But this is a common attitude among many “christians” who consider the Bible as a source of “supporting scripture” in any controversy. Any cockaninny doctrine can be supported by some verse in the Bible. (Even the words “There is no God” is found in the Bible!). Anything and anyone that takes the focus away from Christ (who ALONE is the Annointed One of GOD) is not of GOD but is of the spirit of the antichrist. Christ ALONE is the builder of his church, not Peter, not Paul, not any CPM pastors. Jesus ALONE is the author AND finisher of our faith. He has sent us the Holy Spirit from God. Jesus said, the Holy Spirit will teach us ALL things, about the things to come and will not talk about himself but rather remind us of the words of Jesus. The Only True GOD whom Jesus prayed to, has ordained Jesus ALONE to be everything for us. No amount of annointing/cosecration/sacrifice/celibacy etc can even come close to who Jesus is to us.
Therefore Jesus’ words must ALWAYS be given priority over the words of ALL men. ALL verses in the Bible must be seen against the words of Jesus Christ. If any statement by anyone else, living or dead, be he prophet, king or apostle, is seen to be in variance with the grain of Jesus’ words, than those statements must be either interpreted to be in-line with Jesus’ words or be deemed to contextually irrelevant. The disciples at one time told him, “You ALONE have the words of life.” Are we as christians willing to say this too?
CPM teaches bodily sanctification in addition to spiritual sanctification. That is why they discourage jewellry and such. Sure they will quote some verse or other, but Jesus said, out of the HEART proceeds all evil.
They think that being celibate is equal to being undefiled. But they ignore Jesus’ teaching that, although the Law says you should not murder or commit adultery (bodily), but if you have hated or lusted even in your HEART, you have already sinned (spiritually).
They create a “divine healing” dogma on the basis that, Jehova is our healer so we should not go to man for healing. But they don’t seem to be aware that Jehova is also our Provider, so why do they get their daily bread from the roti bhai instead of waiting for “divine provisions”? Jehova is also our Fortress, why then do they lock up their faith homes at night instead of relying on the locks and bolts?
homes at night?
Yes, inconsistency is the sign of a failed argument indeed.
If CPM claims to follow all the “true” teachings of the Bible, I would like to know who is their bishop and deacon, as Paul establshed? Oh no, they will never ordain a bishop or deacon because then they will have to submit to the “husband of one wife” and “having children under strict upbringing” rule, you see! So only their founder Paul was correct in this. After Alwin, it was only celibate “Pastors” and to hell with Scripture! (By the way very few believers and workers know the history of CPM. that’s why they practically worship their pastors.)
People who do not know the GOD of the Bible are DOOMED to fall for all the lies and delusions that will be the hallmark of spirit of the antichrist in the last days.
Check out this “Last Days” sermon:
DEAR ALL, I PRESUME THAT ADAM BECOME A REAL ADAM. NO MORE COMPLAINS.
REGARDS
What happened to ps joseph vijayann?
Dear sister in CHRIST,
Please throw some light on these verses from 2 Timothy Chapter 2 Verses 1-4……
“1 Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.
3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
4 No man that warreth ENTANGLETH HIMSELF WITH THE AFFAIRS OF THIS LIFE; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.
I ask you the same question that JESUS asked the expert in law in LUKE Chapter 10: verses 25-26,,,”He (JESUS) said unto him, What is written in the law? how do you INTERPRET that ?”
If you really want to know the truth about The co founder of cpm Alwin r de
Alwis. Pastor Alwin was expelled from the church for adultery.
The man who came out with the CPM doctrine of Zion, was nothing but a false prophet and crook.
sam.
Dear Norman,
CPM did not send me to the west. They sent me back form from England one way.
I came to Canada by myself.
Get your facts right, and get out of the Paddy field that you are in .
Who are you?
Sam.
A first class church despite the casualties, despite the enemies within and without, despite the lies, the often deliberate misreading of her teachings, mockers and scoffers-they will always be there, some like the tares among the wheat, never leave the church, those who leave hating the narrow path often end up with the likes of Benny Hinn for their reward.
Rachel:
I feel that you only publish comments in keeping with your views, which are based on a a mis-reading, a misunderstanding of this church’s teachings-eg. married ministers. As I said in my comment which was “moderated” out, this is a first class church despite the casualties, despite its many enemies, some within, some without.
Many of the church’s mockers and scoffers remain in the church like the tares growing with the wheat. Some leave but maintain links with it, to still criticise from outside till the day they die, what they once left.
Straining at gnats, they are happy to swallow camels. Once outside, their levels of acceptance suddenly increase, their discernment lowers or disappears
altogether and they can even embrace a Benny Hinn!
man made doctrines. destroyer of families.
The only first class church is the church, the world wide Body of Christ,.
Your church is the church that condemns:
For not wearing white.
For taking medicine
Workers for being married, because Zion is only for the unmarried.
For wearing jewelry
For not attending tarrying meetings.
For questioning their doctrines
These are just a few.
The Jehovah’s wittiness, Seventh day Adventists, Mormons, The Moonies,
and a host of others think their church is the best.
What else would the brain- washed think.
SAM
Can anyone help me. My sister’s family have joined TPM around 3 to 4 years back. Initially they were very happy. My sister even tried to pull me to TPM. But this days I could experience that there is no peace in their family.
I realized that though she speaks in tongue the main fruit of the spirit is missing, which is Love, Peace and Joy.
Currently my brother in law started realizing that some of their doctrines are man made (TV is Satan, taking medicine; emphasizing on leave your parents, family for Christ). Due to which I could see their family started quarreling. I have spoken to my sister personally, she gives importance only to the word spoken by the brothers and sisters of TPM. Whenever I asked “who said” her answer would be the brother or the sister. She never measures from the word of God. I also have suggested her to read TPM’s doctrinal beliefs and their practices and teaching (constitution).
Can anyone help me with the TPM’s doctrinal beliefs and constitution. So that I can show it to my sister and save their family from being apart.
I could see people saying or commenting about TPM. However that is not enough for me to proof it to my sister. But if I could read thier doctrinal beliefs and constitution hope she will realize. Please help my sister’s family.
God bless you all. Thanks
In 2012 I happened to visit one of the TPM church in Manipur. And I was shocked listening to the exposition or the interpretation of the call of Moses out of bush.
The TPM brother who was the preacher was interpreting the reason why Moses said ” I am not a good orator ” The brother was interpreting that when God called Moses out of the bush, Moses realized that the Holy Spirit was not on his tongue and that is the reason why Moses replied that he was not a good orator. I came back home with lot of question in my mind. I talked about it with another Bible college professor and he said that 1. historically Moses had a stammer in speaking 2. he had to go in front of the Pharaoh and he was not ready. Therefore these might be the reasons why Moses said that He is not a good orator. After somedays I confronted another TPM brother and sisters- they said that they never go to Bible colleges and never refer to any other books like Bible Encyclopedia, Bible Commentaries etc. then I asked how do they know or how do they interpret the verses in the Bible. They smiled and answered the Holy Spirit reveals it to them.
I realized that these TPM brothers and sisters know nothing they have no background of Theology or study of doctrine….they just speak whatever they like and later blame the Holy Spirit. Ha ha ha….May God give them enlightenment and in the same time forgive them for what they have done.
KOTO,
Vijayan left the ministry when he saw the LIGHT.
why tpm people always compare with non-tpm people?. praise
GOD forever for there is no church name given under the sun like tpm of cpm.
heaven is full of love. so anyone whose character really changed alone can enter. mere boasting will not help. one more thing if tpm at-least follow their founder it will be really great. founder always recognized non-tpm servants of God. tpm should humble themselves in many many things. begin to show your love lie our LORD.
i would like to correct the last sentence for typing mistake. the correction be like this: “begin to show your love of our LORD”
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why tpm people always compare with non-tpm people?. praise
GOD forever for there is no church name given under the sun like tpm of cpm.
heaven is full of love. so anyone whose character really changed alone can enter. mere boasting will not help. one more thing if tpm at-least follow their founder it will be really great. founder always recognized non-tpm servants of God. tpm should humble themselves in many many things. begin to show your love of our LORD.
Is this Blogg still functioning???
All those who defend marriage for pastors forget what Jesus said to his disciples:
‘His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry. But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given. For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it’. (Matthew 19:10 to 12).
Living a life without sexual desire is practicing higher spiritual life. Only such who practice such spiritual life can live such a life. For such even masturbation is wrong. This is not something new. In India there are many hermits living in the Himalayas who practice such a life for spiritual powers.
Only those who practice such a life can receive deeper spiritual revelations from God.
Paul says in 1 Corinthians 7:1,2 ‘…it is good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband’.
Again he says in 1 Corinthians 7:7,8,9 ‘For i would that all men were even as i myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that. I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn’.
In 1 Corinthians 7:37 Paul says ‘Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necesity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well’.
Just as there are different classes or grades in a school, there are different grades of churches. Level of teachers changes according to the class or grade they teach. There is a vast difference in the standard of a LKG grade teacher and a PhD guide.
So if one is interested in grow to high spiritual levels, such would not have interest in sex.
True apostle of Christ
Today every church leader thinks he is an apostle of Christ. They think they are an apostle because they are doing some ministry for Christ.
In this article we will see from the light of the Word of God who is a true apostle of Christ.
Apostle and disciple are related
Before being an apostle of Christ one has to be a disciple of Christ. The word ‘Apostle’ means ‘being sent’. To be a true apostle of Christ, one has to be a true disciple of Christ.
Who is a true disciple of Christ?
Jesus himself said
Luke 14:25, 26, 27, 33 ‘And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them, if any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple…So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple’.
Matthew 19:21 to 27, 29 ‘Jesus said unto him, if thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. Then said Jesus unto his disciples, verily I say unto you, that a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying who then can be saved? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, with men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible. Then answered Peter and said unto him, behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?…And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life’.
Matthew 10:37, 38 ‘He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me’.
Our church (TPM) teaches Matthew 10:37,38 is for the members of the church and Luke 14:25 to 33 and Matthew 19:21 to 27 and 29 is for servants of God. I believe what Jesus was saying in Matthew 10 is the same what he is saying in Luke and Matthew 19.
Members of the church do not become disciples of Jesus. Jesus clearly says to become his disciple one has to forsake all things.
True disciple of Christ is one who has forsaken all that he has even his own life. Jesus is saying to be a true disciples of his one has to forsake all that he has just like a hermit. Jesus lists the things a person has to forsake to be his disciples:
Father
Mother
Wife
Children
Brothers
Sisters
Houses
Lands
His own life
Only if a person has forsaken the above is a true disciple. Only a true disciple can be sent by Jesus and be called an apostle.
From the light of the Word of God we can conclude all church leaders who are married and doing ministry are not apostle as they are not disciple of Jesus.
What about pastors who are married and doing ministry?
Any one can do any ministry for Jesus. But if one wants to be a disciple of Jesus and be an apostle then he has to forsake his wife and every thing he has.
Zion is only for apostle of Christ
Only such who have forsaken all that they have are disciples of Christ. Only such can go on to become apostle of Christ. Zion is only for such.
The place for all others is only New Jerusalem provided they attain the standard of New Jerusalem before they depart from the world.
Are servants of God of TPM true apostles?
It is true servants of God of TPM have forsaken all that they have so they are true disciple of Christ. But because one is a disciple one cannot become an apostle automatically. To become an apostle of Christ, a disciple needs to be sent. If we see the life of apostles mentioned in the Word of God, we find every one was sent to different places. Paul went to so many places. Thomas came to India. John went to Pathmos. After going to the places sent by God what did they do? They did not take a house on rent and conducted prayer meetings. They went to the streets and preached the gospel. Many years ago our servants of God used to conduct open air meetings. These days all their ministries are within the church buildings or inside convention hall. This disqualifies our servants of God to become apostle of Christ. They are just disciples of Christ. Because of this one thing even Zion’s door might be closed for our servants of God.
Apostles of Christ mentioned in the World of God feared no one. They boldly preached the gospel. This quality is not seen in our servants of God. Only if it is seen can our servants of God be called apostles of Christ.
May God help us.
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